NRA Calls Sandy Hook Shooting “Connecticut Effect”

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We have a strong agenda coming up for next year, but of course a lot of that’s going to be delayed as the ‘Connecticut effect’ has to go through the process,” lobbyist and fucking worthless human being Bob Welch told the Wisconsin’s NRA State Association during the legislative update.

It is a testament to the abysmally sad state of affairs in this country  when murder, or in this case slaughter of innocent people, is being casually framed as an “effect” that must be tolerated before we can go back to business as usual, so to speak. 

After all, the NRA would not want all that grief, sadness, and loss muddy up your fucking access to assault weapons.  They have to make sure that getting a gun – a tool solely designed to kill – remains easier to obtain than a checking account and the only consumer product not regulated for health and safety.

Yeah, a lot of anti-gun control laws have been championed for by the NRA and the gun merchants that populate its leadership have pretty much stood behind every single instance of gun violence in the US – in spirit, if not physically.

But there is a lot more dismantling of gun laws and standing behind gun violence to do and the NRA is getting ready for such a noble act.

So brace yourself America. Once those damn intellectual liberals and the parents and loved ones of those massacred have gotten over their their pesky crying over a bunch of kids shot to death in Connecticut by guns the NRA worked hard to place in the hands of law abiding citizens such as Adam Lanza’s mother, the NRA will be back, with a vengeance, making sure that many more such guns be made available to law abiding citizens. After all, our mass murderers have to remain the best equipped mass murderers in the world.

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  1. #1 by lwk2431 on February 13, 2013 - 10:48 AM

    You wrote:

    “And shooting at a moving target under pressure and stress is very hard.”

    And you have experience that entitles you to lecture me on this? I just recently passed a course to carry a concealed handgun in my state.

    And:

    “Law enforcement officers and military personnel take months and hundreds of hours to get trained and they keep doing exercises.”

    Normal police (excepting SWAT) do a minimum amount of training with firearms. They are “Law Officers” and most of their training involves law enforcment (e.g., knowing the law so they don’t get their department sued for millios of dollars).

    If you think police are that well trained in firearms then you watch too much TV. Just in the last couple months police in NYC accidentally shot 8 people when they killed a suspect.

    And:

    “You can’t just put a gun in the hand of a bunch of teachers and educators – who are untrained – to start shooting around in a mass with children running around in panic.”

    That is why you give them some training. They don’t have to be Marines (like my son).

    And:

    “This isn’t some Hollywood/dirty harry/Rambo fantasy you are living out, this is real life.”

    Having carried a loaded handgun in public I have some idea of the difference between Hollywood and real life. Here is a basic statistic from a recent study. 40 some states have “shall issue” concealed carry laws or don’t even require a license or permit to carry concealed. These people are convicted of firearms violations at a rate of 0.002 percent per year. That is the exact same rate for police officers.

    People who legally carry concealed weapons have proven over several decades now that they are some of the safest, and most responsible citizens you can find.

    And:

    “Can you imagine during the Sandy Hook shooting if teachers had started shooting around in a crowded hall with kids running around scared?”

    And exactly what _did_ happen? A lot of kids got killed, right? So would it have been any worse if a teacher had accidentally shot a kid than the kid being murdered by Lanza? Kind of silly, isn’t it? 20 kids get killed and you are afraid of a teacher having an accident?

    The fact is that the killers in schools are cowards. They come to schools and other “gun free zones” because they don’t want to get shot at while they kill people. Just about anytime there is serious resistance they give up or commit suicide.

    Happened in Clackamas, Oregon recently. Guy comes into mall and fires 60 some shots. Kills two people. A man carrying a legally concealed handgun pulls it and points it at the gunman. He doesn’t fire because he sees innocent bystanders behind the gunman. Gunman flees though, then commits suicide.

    And:

    “You need to educate yourself about who the NRA is and who the gun merchants are that are sitting on its board of directors and lining the pockets of the organization and thus have a vested interest in keeping guns in the hands of people like you under the guise of needing it for self defense.”

    The total gun industry in the U.S. makes less than a billion dollars profit per year. The top 19 drug companies each make more than the entire gun industry. The total is over 110 billion for the drug industry. They have a lot more clout in Congress than gun companies.

    Drug companies are pushing us to give out kids all sorts of psychotropic drugs that may in fact cause some already mentally ill like Adam Lanza become psychotic killers. Why not look into that?

    And finally:

    “Guns are tools solely designed to kill.”

    Guns are designed to save lives and they do that every day in the U.S. – more often than people commit suicide with them, or commit homicide with them. In the vast majority of cases the aggressor discovers the intended victim has a firearms, and departs the scene. That may save the life of the intended victim, and save the life of the aggressor.

    lwk

    Who Needs An Assault Rifle?
    http://free2beinamerica2.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/who-needs-an-assault-rifle/

    • #2 by popreflection on February 13, 2013 - 12:54 PM

      1) yes i have every right to lecture you on the fact that shooting a moving target is hard. I dont care _you_ have a license and can do it, most people cannot. Period.

      2) Guns belong in accountable hands and in the hands of those having a business to own a gun. Your statement that police officers get pretty much no training is false. A large part of police training is just that – not filling out paper work, especially field officers.

      3) The job of a teacher is not being an at home Marine or get training in various combat and counter insurgent operations and tactics. I know in the fantasy world you inhabit that is the kind of world you wish we all lived in and need to live in, but it doesn’t work that way in real life. We cannot and should not, as part of a civilized peoples, walk around with assault rifles and various tools for murder as a matter of public discourse.

      4) Your anecdotal evidence about how guns are just the cutest most misunderstood items is irrelevant to the discussion, not to mention your assertions and so-called “facts” flat out wrong. That deaths and injuries by guns are at a record high in this nation as opposed to the next 10 nations combined is fact, not a matter of opinion.

      5) You said : “would it have been any worse if a teacher had accidentally shot a kid than the kid being murdered by Lanza”. I am not even going to comment on the level of callousness of this statement. You do not sound like someone who should be entrusted with weapons and you wouldnt sing such dismissive, self righteous tunes if it had been your 6 year old who had been shot in the face and 11 more times all over his little body. Shame on you and my condolences to your children if this is the kind of legacy you leave them and teach them. Because unlike what your movie scenario fantasy in your head tells you, teachers having had gun in Connecticut shooting around in a chaotic crowd would have not helped the situation. In your world, your wife is a counter insurgent operator, in the real world people aren’t.

      6) nice straw man about the pharmaceutical companies. As if criticizing the NRA and gun industry somehow implied that pharmaceutical companies were doing good. And again, your so called facts are wrong. The total economic impact of the gun industry on the United States this year is estimated at $31.8 billion, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation and the industry itself $ 11.7 billion strong.

      I enjoy reading your unfounded rants and “facts” that have been clearly pulled out from your rectum. But please continue. Your comments, if anything, completely reinforce the need for gun control and gun education and you are the text book example of the ignorant militant with a nervous trigger finger who has no business owning guns.

      • #3 by lwk2431 on February 13, 2013 - 1:48 PM

        popreflection wrote:

        “yes i have every right to lecture you on the fact that shooting a moving target is hard.”

        If you know anything about shooting other than what you see in movies or TV I would be very surprised.

        ” Guns belong in accountable hands and in the hands of those having a business to own a gun.”

        As I said earlier, civilians who legally carry a concealed weapon have proven themselves some of the most reliable citizens we have. Self defense is a sufficient “business” to own a gun and carry concealed, assuming one can qualify in one’s state (usually not too hard if you don’t have a felony conviction).

        “Your statement that police officers get pretty much no training is false.”

        I did not say “no training.” They get basic training but their main focus is on “law enforcement,” that is learning the law that they are going to be held accountable to enforce. They basically shoot at stationary targets and have to score minimum points. I assure anyone who can shoot handgun reasonably well could pass that test. It is not at test that requires very extrordinary skills.

        SWAT get more training. That is why they get called for obviously violent offenders.

        Some police officers get extra training on their own and at their own expense because they realize their official training was minimal. They have vested interest in being well trained. Cops also often buy insurance to protect them when they get sued because they figure the city won’t stand behind them in many cases. Your average cops will never fire their gun in the line of duty against a criminal firing back. That mostly happens on TV.

        “… deaths and injuries by guns are at a record high in this nation as opposed to the next 10 nations combined is fact, not a matter of opinion.”

        Two points:

        1. Homicide and crime right now are at now at historic lows, equal to the 1960s when I was a kid. They have been going doing steadily since the 1990s. Check FBI stats and you will see.

        2. In a lot of the U.S. the homicide rate is comparable to Europe. In my small town it is 0 per 100,000 most years. The problem is inner cities with black and hispanic gangs and Mexican drug cartels. For example, New Orleans last year had a homicide rate of 53 per 100,000, an obscene rate. Chicago, Washington D.C. East St. Louis, Detroit, etc. are the reason for Americas current 4.7 per 100,000 rate. Get out of the ghetto, especially into suburban and rural environments and we are about as safe as any civilized country.

        “Shame on you and my condolences to your children if this is the kind of legacy you leave them”

        My son is a Lance Corporal in the Marine Corps, a machine gunner in the infantry of the “Thundering Third.” I am pretty sure he is proud of the legacy he inherited from his father, a Vietnam veteran.

        “I enjoy reading your unfounded rants and “facts” that have been clearly pulled out from your rectum.”

        I will let others judge who is ranting and who is talking about rectums.

        lwk

        Who Needs An Assault Rifle?
        http://free2beinamerica2.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/who-needs-an-assault-rifle/

  2. #4 by lwk2431 on February 13, 2013 - 8:11 AM

    You wrote:

    ” After all, our mass murderers have to remain the best equipped mass murderers in the world.”

    What we need to do is repeal the Gun Free School Zone Act which basically means no responsible adult is supposed to have a firearm to defend children in one of those “zones.” In Texas the school district _can_ allow teachers and employees to carry concealed handguns once they have a valid Texas CCH license and are approved by the school board. We have one school that has done that for several years now and I expect more to follow soon.

    Just FYI, my wife teachers very young children. Due to their disabilities her children would not be able to hide quietly in a closet. I hope my wife will get her CCH soon and be able to have a concealed handgun in school to protect herself and her children.

    According Dr. Gary Kleck, an award winning criminologist at Florida State University, firearms are used over 2 _million_ times a year by Americans to defend themselves. Guns save lives. That is essentially their primary purpose.

    lwk

    Who Needs An Assault Rifle?
    http://free2beinamerica2.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/who-needs-an-assault-rifle/

    • #5 by popreflection on February 13, 2013 - 8:43 AM

      This is insanity. You don’t even know what you are talking about. Guns are not a good thing; guns don’t make us safer and more civilized. And shooting at a moving target under pressure and stress is very hard. Law enforcement officers and military personnel take months and hundreds of hours to get trained and they keep doing exercises. You can’t just put a gun in the hand of a bunch of teachers and educators – who are untrained – to start shooting around in a mass with children running around in panic. That is not their job. This isn’t some Hollywood/dirty harry/Rambo fantasy you are living out, this is real life. Can you imagine during the Sandy Hook shooting if teachers had started shooting around in a crowded hall with kids running around scared? Not to mention that this is not their job. A society in which people walk around with guns and armed to the teeth is uncivilized,d and i don’t give a rat’s us what some PhD whose probably funded by the NRA has to say about that. I hope your wife doesn’t teach such dysfunctions and pathologies to her students. This is just appalling.

      You need to put down that rugged individual dirty harry/john wayne/vigilante justice bullshit mentality and start thinking and acting like a civilized person. You need to educate yourself about who the NRA is and who the gun merchants are that are sitting on its board of directors and lining the pockets of the organization and thus have a vested interest in keeping guns in the hands of people like you under the guise of needing it for self defense, Guns are tools solely designed to kill. Period. There are no other uses for guns. These tools are being disseminated to people unregulated and no questions asked and somewhere, someone has put it in the minds of people like you that it was your god damn god given right to own these tools of murder for some elusive apocalypse/self defense scenario that wont happen. Remember that during the Arizona shooting where kathy Gifford was shot people did have guns yet no one was able to save anyone in time because such scenarios – unlike movies – play out very fast and unless you are part of a SWAT team or have your gun hanging from the holster loaded with the safety off – you won’t be able to react quickly enough in such a scenario to charge to the rescue.

      If you are worried about your rights being taken away, worry about the First and Fourth Amendments and the extension of the Patriot Act and the government spying on you instead of zealously working to arm your teacher wife.

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