Jesus Hates

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Luke 14:25-27

The Cost of Being a Disciple

“Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said:  “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.”

–> “Noooooo. No. No fucking way” is what I thought when I saw this. I honestly thought this was a spoof and someone had made that up to illustrate the point that Jesus really said love your mother, father and other things. Oh my fucking god (pun not intended)  – little did I know.  So I looked up the passage by Luke and while the site was loading I was thinking, “no, he is kidding. Not even the fucking Bible can be that bad.” Turns out it can. Because my jaw dropped when i saw that THIS IS WHAT IT REALLY SAYS.

Memo to self: reading the Bible more often makes you a better atheist.

 

 

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  1. #1 by joeyisared on April 4, 2014 - 11:08 PM

    I’d jump and and help you out, but it looks like you’re doing pretty well handling ’em ‘believers’ on your own. and besides, they stopped commenting months ago. 🙂

    Anyway, nice blog.

    Cheers!

  2. #2 by silenceofmind on August 6, 2013 - 11:31 PM

    Atheism does indeed make a claim. Atheism claims that there is no God. And you support that claim with various arguments.

    Logical proofs of the existence of God have been around for thousands of years. In fact, the existence of God is self evident.

    Atheism cannot be proven so atheism is itself a faith-based, irrational belief.

    This is another example of how you suffer from the very malady you condemn. And not only that but you deny the obvious nature and definition of the very thing you hold so dear: atheism.

  3. #3 by Brandy on August 6, 2013 - 8:40 PM

    Only a God-hater would take this out of context. Jesus was speaking to anyone who wished to be one of his Disciples…because HE knew the requirements of those who were to follow Him and spread the gospel AT THAT TIME. They would suffer greatly, they would end up dying for their faith – all but John would be killed for being a disciple. Jesus was warning those (THE MULTITUDE) who wished to be a disciple of His that they would have to give up their entire lives to be one of those who were asked to start the church. Those who weren’t willing to do that and focus on the mission because of family devotion could not fulfill the mission. But leave it to a hater to spread MORE lies about the bible. SMH…. Wow….

    • #4 by popreflection on August 6, 2013 - 9:08 PM

      You cant hate something that doesn’t exist, darlin’.

      And this whole dribble just proves the point, not to mention being pretty rich coming from someone who believes that facts and research can only go so far because to TRULY understand the bible one must essentially first be lobotomized.

      • #5 by Brandy on August 6, 2013 - 11:11 PM

        I think there’s a medical term for what you suffer. You don’t believe in something, yet focus a whole blog on it? And then harass people who live for it? Is there something wrong with this picture? Think about it.

    • #6 by popreflection on August 6, 2013 - 11:41 PM

      ohhhhh…ad hominem attacks. Just like Jesus would do I guess….but please continue commenting, you keep proving my point.

  4. #7 by DUH'Merica on August 6, 2013 - 1:26 PM

    Nice post, now have fun with being attacked by the religious spin 🙂

    • #8 by popreflection on August 6, 2013 - 11:49 PM

      oh yes, the commentator above, “brandy” has already announced an entire “rebuttal” of my arguments and blog on her blog. That should be stunning.

      • #9 by DUH'Merica on August 7, 2013 - 10:05 AM

        I think for fun you should write a post about how bat-shit crazy the book of Leviticus is, since that’s where religious people find derive their hatred for gay people. I love the rebuttals on that one.

        • #10 by popreflection on August 10, 2013 - 7:58 PM

          Good idea. I am going to make a series called The Perils of Religion and talk about the various kind of fuckery to found in all religions. The Old Testatment is pretty fucked up though, I give you that. The only thing worse is the Koran

  5. #11 by silenceofmind on August 5, 2013 - 7:52 PM

    Since the Judeo-Christian world view places great value on family relationships and human relationships in general, the reader must be able to look a little deeper into the text to find its true meaning.

    At one point Jesus also said, “If your eye be a cause of sin, pluck it out.”

    Does that mean that Christian doctrine advocates self mutilation? Of course not.

    Christian doctrine specifically states that we must love our neighbor as we love ourselves. We must also honor our father and our mother, etc.

    Reading the Bible is dangerous unless one has a compendium, written by a reliable source. A compendium can explain the meaning of text that offend our modern and often provincial understanding of language.

    • #12 by popreflection on August 5, 2013 - 8:20 PM

      Yeah i was curios to see how some religious person would try to weasel and “rationalize” (read: bullshit) himself out of this and voila, on cue, you deliver. Thank you. In fact, the response I got from someone in a private message predicted your response precisely:

      “And don’t let the chrischuns claim “out of context” with you. Whenever we show them how their own bible contradicts itself, or is so outrageous, they’ll not have any answer other than to tell us we’re taking it out of context. BULL SHIT.

      • #13 by silenceofmind on August 5, 2013 - 8:33 PM

        A huge problem with atheism is that it relieves its believers of their ability to reason or any desire to venture beyond the very limited narrative it makes available to its followers.

        I just gave you a scholarly and widely accepted method of reading an ancient text.

        And you rejected it without even giving it a chance.

        That means you suffer from the very malady you criticize so harshly.

        Here is a lesson from Jesus on this particular affliction: Take care of the plank in your own eye before you concern yourself with the speck in the eye of your neighbor.

    • #14 by popreflection on August 5, 2013 - 10:01 PM

      You said “A huge problem with atheism is that it relieves its believers of their ability to reason” Yes, exactly, reason is the operative word here and religious people do everything but reason. It is also quite ironic that someone who believes in a man walking on water, turning water into wine, coming back from the dead or parting the seas (moses, i know) would point out the inability of atheists to be reasoned with. Especially when that so called reasoning is done employing fictitious entities.

      It’s also a common Christian defense that atheists just don’t understand religion and that’s why they fail to get on board the big Jesus train to heaven. The truth is that most atheists understand religion better than the religion’s own adherents. Studies have shown that more atheists have read the Christian Bible than actual Christians. They also know more about religion in general than their religious counterparts. So claiming that the reason we’re not religious is simply because we don’t understand it, isn’t true.

      Atheism makes no claim, and therefore has no burden of proof. For the purposes of most discussions this is true and sufficient. I will point out that there is absolutely no incumbency upon an Unicornist to provide evidence that Unicorns do not exist, or even to make a case that the assumption that unicorns do not exist is more reasonable than the assumption that they do. A Theist accepts this arrangement in regards to literally every single mythical creature they do not happen to believe in, but is quick to muddy the waters and sling burden of proof about when discussing their pet fantasy

      As an Atheist my stance that must be defended is that there is, as of yet, insufficient evidence to justify belief in a Theistic God. I am making a positive claim that the evidence and argument which has been adduced is pitifully insufficient to support such a fantastic presumption. I will also admit that my position does have bias, and that bias must be confronted and dealt with.

      I am biased by virtue of my existence towards Empiricism and Naturalism, and a proper defense of these systems would require novels to each, novels that do exist and I would recommend anyone curious read them, but I will not recite that material here. I will simply say in short that Empiricism and Naturalism work. These systems get results and prove themselves time and again to be the best way to discover how the world operates, and for that reason they are the tools upon which I rely.

      It would be easy to, as an Atheist, simply reject all evidence brought before me. But I do bear a responsibility along with my Skepticism. I must explain why I find the evidence insufficient and what kinds of evidence I would expect, or in what way the evidence adduced could be improved upon to meet my standards. I am also responsible for fair, consistent, and honest standards that I will not change or alter to circumvent evidence brought before me. I am responsible for defining my terms, setting the goal posts, and leaving them unmoved, giving the position of which I am critical a fair chance to prove itself.

      Atheism is an affirmation of our, as human kind, fantastic ability to wrestle real information, reasonable inferences, and practical certainties out of a giant, whirling, indifferent cosmos. It is a celebration of our ability to face reality without the need for the supernatural to fill in the dark gaps where our great soaring intellects have not yet managed to shine light. It is a powerful statement of honesty, consistency, and integrity in which we can have a chance to show that we are brave enough, stout enough, and confident enough to set aside childish things, to put away our security blanket, to be willing to say “I don’t know” when we really don’t, to face the truth even if it means the death of our most cherished fantasies, to give up special pleading, to hold all ideas to the same standard, to accept that answers aren’t always easy, and that even if the universe is scary, empty, and dark, that we will face it squarely. The true power of Atheism is not so much in what it is, but in what it rejects. That is precisely the power that Religion fears the most. Atheism rejects fear of the unknown, and Religion has no power over those who are not afraid.

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